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Last post 05-31-2008 12:21 AM by DeNiro. 45 replies.
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  • 05-22-2008 10:27 PM In reply to

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    WHEW.

    Now that's the kind of basketball they need to play to win this thing.  Consistently.  Every game.

    How about that Rodney Stuckey?  What a contribution he made.  Man.

  • 05-22-2008 10:39 PM In reply to

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    Yes! Great win.

    Boston doesn't look good at all. If the Pistons play like this every game from here on out, they should wrap this thing up in 5. Should.

    How about that inbound play Flip drew up for Billups at the end? Shocked the hell out of me.

    And of course Stuckey, can't believe he's just a rookie. Excellent.

    I am happy. Smile

  • 05-22-2008 11:04 PM In reply to

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    DeNiro:

    Boston doesn't look good at all. If the Pistons play like this every game from here on out, they should wrap this thing up in 5. Should.

    I disagree.  I thought the Pistons had to give everything they had to pull this one out.  They needed Stuckey to play like an all-star off the bench (which he did).  Boston will show up here with a focus and energy they didn't need on the road in the first two series.  Detroit has the fight of their lives ahead of them in the next two games. 

  • 05-22-2008 11:12 PM In reply to

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    I think you're overestimating Boston. This is the team that couldn't beat Atlanta on the road. We'll see what happens though.

  • 05-24-2008 8:19 PM In reply to

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    Rodney Stuckey is somethin' else.

    Dare I say it, future star of this franchise?

  • 05-24-2008 8:52 PM In reply to

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    Absolutely awful first half for Detroit. Terrible basketball.

    I can't help but feel that they expected Boston to lay down for this one.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

  • 05-24-2008 11:02 PM In reply to

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    I'm going to call this series over in Boston's favor.  Boston came in ready to win, Detroit came in nonchalant and didn't match Boston's desperation.  Period.  If Billups can't contribute, then that makes the difference.

    I cannot envision Detroit winning the next three games in a row.  Forgot about winning a game 7 in Boston.  Not going to happen.  Boston proved in game 3 they want to win the series, which didn't surprise me at all.

    To me, this one is over regardless of game 4's outcome.  Probably goes back 2-2, but I don't see Detroit winning game 4, 5, and 6.  Nope. 

     Looks like another loss in the ECF.  Three in a row.   

  • 05-24-2008 11:18 PM In reply to

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    This pisses me off.

    Pistons had a chance to come out and grab Boston by the balls by taking a 2-1 series lead, but instead came out lackadaisical, took Boston too lightly, and got smacked around. Stuckey and McDyess were the only ones playing with any intensity.

    This team can win 3 straight if they play the way they did in game 2. But most likely we'll beat Boston in game 4, once again become too confident, and probably lose 2 straight after that.

    *sigh

  • 05-24-2008 11:49 PM In reply to

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    I feel awful for Antonio McDyess.

    The guy has suffered multiple heartbreaks in his stint with the Pistons, and he never gives less than full effort.

    Especially when you consider how well he played in game 7 of the 2005 Finals, and how close he got.

    Not fair to him that his teammates aren't matching his intensity.

  • 05-24-2008 11:54 PM In reply to

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    I can certainly see it going 7 games, but there's no chance I'll bet on the Pistons winning that one.

    If I had to guess, I'd say:

    Game 4: Pistons win as Boston lets up somewhat.  Pistons play desperate in this one, not Boston.

    Game 5: Boston wins back home in a pretty close game. 

    Game 6: Detroit wins by double digits as Boston knows they have game 7 to fall back on.

    Game 7: Boston pulls away in the 4th quarter for the series.  Close until the 4th.

  • 05-25-2008 12:02 AM In reply to

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    Yeah, probably.

    It's like clockwork with this team. So predictable.

  • 05-25-2008 7:00 PM In reply to

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    Obviously, the major problem with this team is the lack of a superstar player who brings an intensity and focus every game...which lifts the other players into doing the same more often than not.

    If you look at the two seasons they made the finals, they had Ben Wallace who fit that role.  Wallace WAS a superstar on the defensive end at that time.  He could control games down the stretch on the defensive end and with his rebounding.  He brought it every night. 

    You saw what happened when he quit on them against Miami.  They lost.  No one else could bring that kind of focus and the lift the team that year.

    Last year they were overpowered by Lebron James.  He brought it every night.  The Pistons didn't in Cleveland.

    And now this year.  Same situation.  Billups is the closest thing they have to being the person they need.  He falls short of being a superstar though, and he's injured.

    So this is  what you end up getting.  Good enough to get to the final four, but when matched against opponents with the superstars who bring it every night and lift their teammates, you can't get any further.

    The Pistons future lies in the hands of Stuckey.  He is showing some special things in this round.  He can create his own shot...the only Pistons I've seen who could create their own shots like he can were Isiah, V. Johnson, and G. Hill. 

    Still, it's too early to say whether he has the intensity to do it night in and night out.  There's reason to be optimistic for the future with this guy.

    ...but for the present, we are left with a team with a huge void.  Getting to the final four seems to be the limit with that void.  I expect the Pistons to be focused from here on out with great intensity, but it's likely too late.  Again.

    I can't find myself too upset with them.  They are a collection of very good players without that superstar to lift and carry them when they falter at times, lose focus, and can't match up.  For about a five-six minute stretch in game 2, Stuckey bailed them out.  He played like a superstar late in the game when the Pistons were losing their grasp and beginning to fail.  He filled that void.  He carried them, lifted them up with some fantastic drives and shots, and they were able to finish it off.  He knocked the Celtics back on their heels.  He was the best player on the floor and could not be stopped for that stretch.

    He's just not ready yet to do it all the time.  He's a rookie. 

     

  • 05-25-2008 7:51 PM In reply to

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    If the Pistons fail to reach the Finals yet again, I'd have no problem parting ways with Billups in order to develop Stuckey as the full-time starter. Let him go through the growing pains.

    Dumars would never do such a thing though; he hasn't really done jack since the Sheed trade. Dumars is partly to blame for all this. He's been extremely lucky thus far, and now that his luck is running out he's being exposed as lazy. It took him how many years to assemble a bench again?

  • 05-25-2008 10:30 PM In reply to

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    I think Dumars would HAVE to make some modification to the roster after this series.  By the time Stuckey could be that possible star, we are probably talking 2-3 years down the road.  That means this core would be done by then. 

    Dumars should look to trade a marketable piece to continue the rebuilding he's already begun with Stuckey, Afflalo, Maxiell, and Johnson.  By trading a marketable piece (Billups, Hamilton, whomever) and getting quality in return (could be tough to trade Billups with his salary - Hamilton might be the most marketable with his lower salary), you give the youth a chance to really compete when Stuckey is ready.

    This could be the time for Dumars to pull the trigger.  I have faith he will now that he has a hope in Stuckey to lead this franchise in the future.  If Stuckey is 6'5", he should be able to play the point on offense and guard the 2 on defense.  Having both him and Billups out there could work, and I'd like to see Afflalo develop as well as I think he's very talented.  If you add value from a Hamilton trade, you also have that to work with immediately...probably at the SF or PF position.

    McDyess is too old to get quality, and I don't think any team would give up much for Wallace given his demeanor.  I wouldn't trade Johnson or Maxiell at this point.  I just think Hamilton is the mose expendable and may be able to attract some value.

    Subtracting a Hamilton, inserting Stuckey, and adding talent in some other position would change the make-up of this team in a discreet way, but the results could be quite dramatic.

  • 05-26-2008 10:42 PM In reply to

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    Game 4:

    Check.

  • 05-28-2008 10:43 PM In reply to

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    Game 5:

    Check

  • 05-30-2008 10:17 PM In reply to

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    So........Dumars........do you get it now? 

    Three seasons in a row. 

    Mediocre Cleveland team.

    A Boston team that is very good, but not great.  If they beat the Lakers, I'll be shocked.

    The time has passed for this group.

    It's time to make some changes for the future. 

    Need to take steps to give this team a chance to get back to the finals in a few years.

    Take a step or two back to move forward years down the road.

    Time to make a big trade or two....

    I said it last year and I'll say it again.  It's time for Rasheed Wallace to go.

    It may be time for Prince to go.  He never shows up in the final playoff round.  Very frustrating player.

    Get something for them.  The remainder can still be a playoff team in the East.

    But the future is Stuckey, Maxiell, etc.  That's the next group that could have a legit chance to win it someday.

    Time to look to the future and trade away some value to get future value.

    That's all for this year.

    Dumars needs to get the message this time. 

    If this team is starting Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Wallace next year, I won't watch one game.

     

  • 05-30-2008 11:39 PM In reply to

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    Stuckey is the future.

    A delicate balance of youth and experience around him (and obviously talent) should make this team contenders 3 years from now.

    I'd like to see a major deal involving Chauncey, Tay, and Sheed in which we get some talent at the 3, 4, and 5 spots in return, expiring contracts, and first round draft picks. Start Stuckey and Hamilton in the backcourt. Start Maxiell. Let the young guys develop.

    No sense in firing Flip Saunders, there's nobody else available that would do a better job. Plus, he's steadily improving as a playoff coach. I don't really have too many complaints about him.

    Another thing Dumars should concentrate on is losing some weight, Jesus Christ.

     

  • 05-30-2008 11:44 PM In reply to

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    Pistons = Buffalo Bills in the early 90s.

  • 05-31-2008 12:08 AM In reply to

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    I just don't think you can get any takers for Billups contract. 

    There's 96 minutes played at the guard spots.  There's nothing wrong with have a 3 guard rotation playing 30 minutes per game.  Of course, then Afflalo gets zero minutes and I like him.

    I think Prince or Wallace or both have to go.  Prince has a big contract too...don't know if anyone will bite on that.  That's a problem.

    Hamilton has a couple years left on his contract.  He'd be very, very attractive to some teams.  I've got to think he may be the guy to go (along with Wallace) to get something in return.  Don't want him to, but he's probably the most marketable piece.  

    It's over for this group, so they may have to trade him for the future.

  • 05-31-2008 12:21 AM In reply to

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    I despise the idea of trading Rip, and after his effort tonight, I think Dumars should hold onto him at all costs. Guy's a warrior, and I think he would be better off with Stuckey as his PG than Billups.

    Billups to Milwaukee for Mo Williams and Desmond Mason would work, and I think Milwaukee would accept it in a heartbeat. Milwaukee wins in the talent department, but the trade clears room for Stuckey, gets us a couple decent back-ups, and clears some cap room for 2010.

    And after reading this:

    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080530/SPORTS03/80530119
     
    I'm certain Rasheed is gone.
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