Jamebo Jackson:

And that's where a team like the Spurs will be able to pull the old Rope-a-Dope on them - let the Celtics swing away, avoid it and counter when they are exposed - especially during a playoff series where it's not just one game.  The head games involved in a San Antonio-Boston series would be awesome.

I know. I'm dreading the prospect, if only because no one seems to get in KG's head like Duncan. KG is a supernova, energy going everywhere - Duncan is a black hole, just absorbs whatever you throw at him and keeps going. Plus, I'm just sick of the Spurs in general, whether it be Ginobli's flopping, Bowen's dirty play, or the endless Parker-Longoria write-ups in the supermarket fishwraps.

 I actually watched some of the game last night and... you guessed it; I found myself cheering for and rooting for the Hawks. I love watching this young scrappy team fighting it out with the "league powerhouse". It gives me hope for what the Wolves could be doing in a couple years.

Also, KG may have brought his high energy, non-stop motor attitude to Boston with him, but he also brought his "live or die by the jump shot" mentality too. If a jump shooting team gets hot, there's almost no way to stop them. However, if a jump shooting team is cold ...they're in a lot of trouble.

Game 7 will completely come down to whether or not the Celts are making their jumpers. It's that easy. I hope the Hawks win though. I'm really having fun watching them scrap for their wins. 

I watched the game and I was cheering for the Hawks and I am not sorry to say it.  Boston has proved something to me though, they are not built to win the championship.  In fact, the T-Wolves 03-04 team was better than this.  We were one hurt Cassell from a championship that year (fallacy I know, but I believe it 100%).  The Celtics this year are not as good as the Lakers or the Spurs.

King Rube:

I watched the game and I was cheering for the Hawks and I am not sorry to say it.  Boston has proved something to me though, they are not built to win the championship.  In fact, the T-Wolves 03-04 team was better than this.  We were one hurt Cassell from a championship that year (fallacy I know, but I believe it 100%).  The Celtics this year are not as good as the Lakers or the Spurs.

Agree totally. Garnett shows why he is not a closer once again. Im cheering for Hawks too.

Chaos:

 I actually watched some of the game last night and... you guessed it; I found myself cheering for and rooting for the Hawks. I love watching this young scrappy team fighting it out with the "league powerhouse". It gives me hope for what the Wolves could be doing in a couple years.

Also, KG may have brought his high energy, non-stop motor attitude to Boston with him, but he also brought his "live or die by the jump shot" mentality too. If a jump shooting team gets hot, there's almost no way to stop them. However, if a jump shooting team is cold ...they're in a lot of trouble.

Game 7 will completely come down to whether or not the Celts are making their jumpers. It's that easy. I hope the Hawks win though. I'm really having fun watching them scrap for their wins. 

Just think if we would of got luck in lottery last year we could of had Horford. Horford and Big Al would be dynamite.

I really hope the Lakers knock the Spurs out of the playoffs if New Orleans does not. I want to see New Orleans vs Lakers for Western Conference finals.

King Rube:

I watched the game and I was cheering for the Hawks and I am not sorry to say it.  Boston has proved something to me though, they are not built to win the championship.  In fact, the T-Wolves 03-04 team was better than this.  We were one hurt Cassell from a championship that year (fallacy I know, but I believe it 100%).  The Celtics this year are not as good as the Lakers or the Spurs.

  Absolutely agree. Going on the assumption that they do not win it all this year, they need to get themselves a low post player next year. Or Perkins needs to take a step to that next level  like Big Al did.

I know this is gong to seem crazy, but I wonder if they would be a better team with Big Al, rather than KG? I know KG brings a lot of intangibles, but he's yet another jump shooter on a jump shooting team. A player like Big Al is exactly what that team needs right now.

Granted KG brings a veteran presence and energy that Big Al wouldn't have had. Big Al was able to take a step to the forefront after the trade. Had he not been traded, I wonder if he would've stepped up the same way.

But with everything being the same, never mind the names of Kevin Garnett and Al Jefferson, I think that the Celtics would be a better overall team with Al Jefferson, rather than KG. Not that I'm saying Big Al is better than KG. Just that he would give them exactly what they lack; a low post player who takes it strong to the rim and draws fouls.

Rip away.

Chaos:

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I know this is gong to seem crazy, but I wonder if they would be a better team with Big Al, rather than KG? I know KG brings a lot of intangibles, but he's yet another jump shooter on a jump shooting team. A player like Big Al is exactly what that team needs right now.

Granted KG brings a veteran presence and energy that Big Al wouldn't have had. Big Al was able to take a step to the forefront after the trade. Had he not been traded, I wonder if he would've stepped up the same way.

But with everything being the same, never mind the names of Kevin Garnett and Al Jefferson, I think that the Celtics would be a better overall team with Al Jefferson, rather than KG. Not that I'm saying Big Al is better than KG. Just that he would give them exactly what they lack; a low post player who takes it strong to the rim and draws fouls.

Rip away.

I can't rip you for saying something that might be true. I don't think that what the Celts need now is a finesse PF who racks up nearly as many assists as rebounds. They need a big bruising honker to put the smack down on the Hawks smaller frontcourt lineup. Al would be wrecking Smith and Horford right about now. I love KG, but dammit, he's got to stop playing like a freaking guard if he wants to win this one.

Sheep why would any one  rip you ? What you said is absolutely true. I have another thing to add right now! How did KG get defensive  player of the year? He is not playing good defense at all in playoffs. I love Big Al even though his defense is not the greatest he makes up for it with his offense and his short range shots something KG has never been good at. If Celtics Lose KG will get ripped apart  i guarentee it. And he should be too.

Chaos:

King Rube:

I watched the game and I was cheering for the Hawks and I am not sorry to say it.  Boston has proved something to me though, they are not built to win the championship.  In fact, the T-Wolves 03-04 team was better than this.  We were one hurt Cassell from a championship that year (fallacy I know, but I believe it 100%).  The Celtics this year are not as good as the Lakers or the Spurs.

  Absolutely agree. Going on the assumption that they do not win it all this year, they need to get themselves a low post player next year. Or Perkins needs to take a step to that next level  like Big Al did.

I know this is gong to seem crazy, but I wonder if they would be a better team with Big Al, rather than KG? I know KG brings a lot of intangibles, but he's yet another jump shooter on a jump shooting team. A player like Big Al is exactly what that team needs right now.

Granted KG brings a veteran presence and energy that Big Al wouldn't have had. Big Al was able to take a step to the forefront after the trade. Had he not been traded, I wonder if he would've stepped up the same way.

But with everything being the same, never mind the names of Kevin Garnett and Al Jefferson, I think that the Celtics would be a better overall team with Al Jefferson, rather than KG. Not that I'm saying Big Al is better than KG. Just that he would give them exactly what they lack; a low post player who takes it strong to the rim and draws fouls.

Rip away.

I have pondered whether the Celtics would be better with Big Al versus KG for some time.  In fact, I was talking with a friend about this three months ago.  I believe they would be better and much, much deeper with Gomes and Telfair.  The Celtics found a surprise in Powe, but beyond Posey and Cassell, they don't have a lot.  I don't believe the Celtics could be the Spurs or the Lakers in a seven game series and I am not even sure they could actually beat the Jazz or the Magic.

KG is what Pierce and Allen are, a jump shooter.  They need low post like you said and I think Jefferson would have a great year with two established shooters like Allen and Pierce.  If you are on defense, who do you double team, the two three point shooters or the guy down low?  Right now, they know they have to guard three jump shooters and if they aren't falling the Celtics are in trouble.

 So my question is this, what are the Celtics going to do if they don't win this year?  I suppose they could use the MLE on a low post player and they would probably get it because it would be like the 03-04 Lakers when Malone and Payton climbed on the ship.  Of course, we know how that turned out, don't we.

Chaos:

King Rube:

I watched the game and I was cheering for the Hawks and I am not sorry to say it.  Boston has proved something to me though, they are not built to win the championship.  In fact, the T-Wolves 03-04 team was better than this.  We were one hurt Cassell from a championship that year (fallacy I know, but I believe it 100%).  The Celtics this year are not as good as the Lakers or the Spurs.

  Absolutely agree. Going on the assumption that they do not win it all this year, they need to get themselves a low post player next year. Or Perkins needs to take a step to that next level  like Big Al did.

I know this is gong to seem crazy, but I wonder if they would be a better team with Big Al, rather than KG? I know KG brings a lot of intangibles, but he's yet another jump shooter on a jump shooting team. A player like Big Al is exactly what that team needs right now.

Granted KG brings a veteran presence and energy that Big Al wouldn't have had. Big Al was able to take a step to the forefront after the trade. Had he not been traded, I wonder if he would've stepped up the same way.

But with everything being the same, never mind the names of Kevin Garnett and Al Jefferson, I think that the Celtics would be a better overall team with Al Jefferson, rather than KG. Not that I'm saying Big Al is better than KG. Just that he would give them exactly what they lack; a low post player who takes it strong to the rim and draws fouls.

Rip away.

You're on the wrong board for that. I'm afraid you'll have to look around a bit if you want to be ripped. Sorry.

As for the Celtics, I don't think there's any way they beat Detroit this year.

 

I will say this, on the other hand: everyone in Boston is saying how KG, KG specifically installed a new character, a new team interest in defense and a "never-give-up" attitude. That, along with a new crew of faces, might have been worth more than the inside game Al would bring. KG's being on the Celtics what he should have been on the Wolves - a vocal leader.

LabRat:

I will say this, on the other hand: everyone in Boston is saying how KG, KG specifically installed a new character, a new team interest in defense and a "never-give-up" attitude. That, along with a new crew of faces, might have been worth more than the inside game Al would bring. KG's being on the Celtics what he should have been on the Wolves - a vocal leader.

 

But he wasn't - it officially became "too hard" for him to win in MN the year after the WCF run when he allowed the locker-room to fall apart around him.

Jamebo Jackson:

LabRat:

I will say this, on the other hand: everyone in Boston is saying how KG, KG specifically installed a new character, a new team interest in defense and a "never-give-up" attitude. That, along with a new crew of faces, might have been worth more than the inside game Al would bring. KG's being on the Celtics what he should have been on the Wolves - a vocal leader.

 

But he wasn't - it officially became "too hard" for him to win in MN the year after the WCF run when he allowed the locker-room to fall apart around him.

 

The more and more I think about and reflect on KG's tenure here, the more I get upset with him. While we all know the FO shortcomings and past errors, KG does share some of the blame for the Wolves fall from grace. More I think about it, he WAS a poor leader, he WAS way overpaid hence the difficulty getting better players here, he WAS not clutch when he needed to be. Now, having said that, I still love the guy and what he brought to this team and our state. But the guy doesn't walk on water, and I just wished more people would understand that he is not a perfect player by any means. 

Vendetta11:

Jamebo Jackson:

LabRat:

I will say this, on the other hand: everyone in Boston is saying how KG, KG specifically installed a new character, a new team interest in defense and a "never-give-up" attitude. That, along with a new crew of faces, might have been worth more than the inside game Al would bring. KG's being on the Celtics what he should have been on the Wolves - a vocal leader.

 

But he wasn't - it officially became "too hard" for him to win in MN the year after the WCF run when he allowed the locker-room to fall apart around him.

 

The more and more I think about and reflect on KG's tenure here, the more I get upset with him. While we all know the FO shortcomings and past errors, KG does share some of the blame for the Wolves fall from grace. More I think about it, he WAS a poor leader, he WAS way overpaid hence the difficulty getting better players here, he WAS not clutch when he needed to be. Now, having said that, I still love the guy and what he brought to this team and our state. But the guy doesn't walk on water, and I just wished more people would understand that he is not a perfect player by any means. 

  This is exactly what I've been saying for some time now, but most people have such KG blinders on that they just can't see it. All they can do is blame McHale and Taylor. I've always said that there's enough blame to go around and KG is not just an innocent bystander in all of it.

Labrat, you're referring to exactly what I was talking about when I said that KG brings some intangibles that Big Al probably wouldn't have brought had he stayed there. However, Big Al is developing some of those intangibles now. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next five years as Big Al explodes while Papa Pierce, Aging Allen, and Grandpa Garnett all start on the decline of their respective careers. If there is no championship in Beantown in the next couple years, as all the Celt's fans watch Big Al blowin' up... Ainge's head might be served on a platter. 

Chaos:

Vendetta11:

Jamebo Jackson:

LabRat:

I will say this, on the other hand: everyone in Boston is saying how KG, KG specifically installed a new character, a new team interest in defense and a "never-give-up" attitude. That, along with a new crew of faces, might have been worth more than the inside game Al would bring. KG's being on the Celtics what he should have been on the Wolves - a vocal leader.

 

But he wasn't - it officially became "too hard" for him to win in MN the year after the WCF run when he allowed the locker-room to fall apart around him.

 

The more and more I think about and reflect on KG's tenure here, the more I get upset with him. While we all know the FO shortcomings and past errors, KG does share some of the blame for the Wolves fall from grace. More I think about it, he WAS a poor leader, he WAS way overpaid hence the difficulty getting better players here, he WAS not clutch when he needed to be. Now, having said that, I still love the guy and what he brought to this team and our state. But the guy doesn't walk on water, and I just wished more people would understand that he is not a perfect player by any means. 

  This is exactly what I've been saying for some time now, but most people have such KG blinders on that they just can't see it. All they can do is blame McHale and Taylor. I've always said that there's enough blame to go around and KG is not just an innocent bystander in all of it.

Labrat, you're referring to exactly what I was talking about when I said that KG brings some intangibles that Big Al probably wouldn't have brought had he stayed there. However, Big Al is developing some of those intangibles now. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next five years as Big Al explodes while Papa Pierce, Aging Allen, and Grandpa Garnett all start on the decline of their respective careers. If there is no championship in Beantown in the next couple years, as all the Celt's fans watch Big Al blowin' up... Ainge's head might be served on a platter. 

I've always felt the same way about KG. While he was a great player, he also had some weaknesses in his game. People tended to think he walked on water when he was here. But, in the grand scheme of things, McHale and Taylor's terrible management of this team has been a FAR greater impediment to success than any player has been. IF this KG trade eventually works out in our favor, I can honestly say it will be the first good trade McHale has made while being GM of this team (or at least the first good one I can think of off the top of my head ).

 

 Man, I thought going into the playoffs "KG is one of my favorite players of all-time, I would love to see a talent like him finally get a ring".  But the more and more I watch the Celtics, the more I root against them.  I don't really like the Cavs at all either, but I found myself strangely rooting against KG and for Lebron.  And I don't know if it's a "jealousy" issue, it's more of an issue with their overconfidence and swagger (no pun intended ) and the fact that they are "the team to beat".  Plus I am so sick of Boston crap these days...

MattyP:

 Man, I thought going into the playoffs "KG is one of my favorite players of all-time, I would love to see a talent like him finally get a ring".  But the more and more I watch the Celtics, the more I root against them.  I don't really like the Cavs at all either, but I found myself strangely rooting against KG and for Lebron.  And I don't know if it's a "jealousy" issue, it's more of an issue with their overconfidence and swagger (no pun intended ) and the fact that they are "the team to beat".  Plus I am so sick of Boston crap these days...

Yeah, I hear ya. I can admit that some of my new found dislike of KG stems from the national media all of the sudden treating him like he's the second coming of Christ (as if there was ever a fist coming), while they completely ignored him while he was here. He was a better player for many of his years here ... but now he gets the attention and the NBA is using him as a marketing tool. You'd think the NBA would try to market the small market players (like KG was) more and improve the game in those areas, rather than waiting for them to go to the big market teams before marketing them more. It makes no sense to me.

However, there has always been a big part of me that has thought that KG is a "paper champion" too. He gets his stats, he makes a spectacle of himself, but he rarely produces when it counts. However, he is Mr. Consistency.

I just don't know. I'm just glad that the Wolves weren't on the line for 20+ million again this year to not make the playoffs. That ship has sailed and I'm glad to be watching the new look Wolves. 

MattyP:

 Man, I thought going into the playoffs "KG is one of my favorite players of all-time, I would love to see a talent like him finally get a ring".  But the more and more I watch the Celtics, the more I root against them.  I don't really like the Cavs at all either, but I found myself strangely rooting against KG and for Lebron.  And I don't know if it's a "jealousy" issue, it's more of an issue with their overconfidence and swagger (no pun intended ) and the fact that they are "the team to beat".  Plus I am so sick of Boston crap these days...

 

This has everything to do with for me.  Garnett being there is a coincidence that I couldn't really care less about.  I'm just sick of Boston and their professional sports omnipotence.
 

Jamebo Jackson:

MattyP:

 Man, I thought going into the playoffs "KG is one of my favorite players of all-time, I would love to see a talent like him finally get a ring".  But the more and more I watch the Celtics, the more I root against them.  I don't really like the Cavs at all either, but I found myself strangely rooting against KG and for Lebron.  And I don't know if it's a "jealousy" issue, it's more of an issue with their overconfidence and swagger (no pun intended ) and the fact that they are "the team to beat".  Plus I am so sick of Boston crap these days...

 

This has everything to do with for me.  Garnett being there is a coincidence that I couldn't really care less about.  I'm just sick of Boston and their professional sports omnipotence.
 

 

Whoa, I didn't know that you have that kind of vocabulary! LOL!

But I am just sick of the attention the Celtics get as well, give me a break. The way that they have been playing, Detroit can take them down. Of course they will need a healthy Chauncey Billups.....

Vendetta11:

Jamebo Jackson:

MattyP:

 Man, I thought going into the playoffs "KG is one of my favorite players of all-time, I would love to see a talent like him finally get a ring".  But the more and more I watch the Celtics, the more I root against them.  I don't really like the Cavs at all either, but I found myself strangely rooting against KG and for Lebron.  And I don't know if it's a "jealousy" issue, it's more of an issue with their overconfidence and swagger (no pun intended ) and the fact that they are "the team to beat".  Plus I am so sick of Boston crap these days...

 

This has everything to do with for me.  Garnett being there is a coincidence that I couldn't really care less about.  I'm just sick of Boston and their professional sports omnipotence.
 

 

Whoa, I didn't know that you have that kind of vocabulary! LOL!

But I am just sick of the attention the Celtics get as well, give me a break. The way that they have been playing, Detroit can take them down. Of course they will need a healthy Chauncey Bill