I have a lot of friends on other chat sites who are sold on trading both Deng and Kirk simply because of their contracts, I have told them many times they have been eating the wrong food. Kirk and Deng both are decent players and to give them both away because they make a certain amount of money is foolish. They keep saying in order to be prepared for summer 2010 we should get rid of them to have the cap space. I have told them that the Bulls tried that with Jerry Krause and what he did to have the money to sign Duncan, McGrady class was destroy the team that had won 3 straight titles thinking that adminstration wins titles not players and the players played Krause like a drum and signed somewhere else I really believe that to get that player or players that will make you an instant contender you have to have other pieces. They again whine about the salary cap, who cares about the cap if you are winning nba titles?

Deng is essentially untradable (unless you take dog crap back for him). Even when healthy they paid him too much. 11M a year for a SF that is anything less than a Star is too much. Deng is a 2nd option at best maybe even 3rd. They overpaid for him big time.

Kirk is a different story. 9M for a starting PG is not too much in the overall scheme of things. Problem is he won't be a starting PG for the Bulls he'll be a bench player. If they can trade a "bench player" for a starter they should do it.

What position do they really need a starter at that they could trade Cap'n Kirk for? 1- Rose (not going anywhere), 2- Salmons (not going anywhere), 3- Deng (not going anywhere due to that contract as you stated), 4- Thomas (and they drafted James Johnson AND Taj Gibson), 5- Noah (backed up by Big Brad). Maybe the 4 but why trade Kirk for a 4 given that you have Tyrus Thomas (tons of upside), James Johnson (tons of upside) and Taj Gibson (tons of upside)

 

if we are gonna trade Kirk it has to be for a big combo guard otherwise I say keep him, kirk can play  both the 1 and 2 and we have to get more than one player for himotherwise who can we get that would the same job that he will do right I dont see any out there worth giving up kirk for

 One of the reasons why Bulls fan's are saying trade both of them is because they have the most value of the teams players that you can trade. Some people say send out Noah. I'm more willing to move Tyrus Thomas instead. Noah has showed hustle, hard work and a willingness to play in a certain role. Tyrus beleives he is a superstar and his comments about wanting to be in the sentence as Kobe and Lebron makes me think that he will always want a larger role.

  So you looke at the players you can move and the player on the team which is the face of the franchise. D. Rose. You have to look at the team and structure around that. Looking at Deng and Hinrichs play they are the two on the Bulls that you can move for something of value.  Good part about Hinrich contract is that it is a declining contract also. So instead of going up it goes down every year. Then for Deng you have a good player. I agree with TLC he's not a all-star but a good player, he is over priced though. His play is enough that some teams may look at him and may be willing to give him a shot on the team to make a move.

  Another thing is the Bulls need for a front court player. I'm on the ship that says if you can move those guys for Amar'e Stoudamire you do it. Throw Tyrus Thomas in also. I don't see that trade happening but hey if the positin offers itself you do it.

 There is alot of Boozer talk going around, I'm kind of worried about offering a lot for a player who is in the final year of the contract and will only be looking for dollar signs. I dont blame him but I'm not sure if I want the Bulls to take that risk.

As for the Luxury Tax answer. I'm with you man. If the team is winning why worry about going over the cap? However JR has said numerous times and has proven over the years that he is not going to pay the Luxury Tax. He is currently trying to buy a hockey team and his first love is the White Sox. JR is going to go out of the way for the White Sox and will do what he can to land a hockey team. For the Bulls he is making enough money off of the team so he may see it as why pay money when the team is still bringing me in money.

  The Bulls have weaknesses that they must address and the way to do it right now is through trade. The main 3 players in that process are going to be Deng, Hinrich and Thomas when it comes to the talent on the team. I'm not saying trade them for anything, but if the proper deals presents itself you make the move.

I am for trading 2 of them for Bosh or Amar'e the third can go in a deal that will get us Wade or the cap space to attempt to get Wade. Good sign is that the heat offer him an extention and he is still holding that he wants the heat to make moves before he signs his next 6 years away. As for trading Noah no way he has the right attitude to play with and be a contributor but Thomas he is way out of whack to even put himself in the same sentence with Kobe and Bron lets me know why he plays the way he plays shooting all those jumpers having no post moves and thinking that the Bulls should go to him more, what a clown. To me he is one of the players who thinks he is more important than he is and his game does not show that but the problem is hat clown thinks he is the next level player I can see him pullng that same do do that Ben G did. I say right now trade him and james for Boozer right now, Kirk we need to keep we cant fimd a better guard that can play both the one and two off the bench

 While I agree about Kirk being a solid one and two you have to look at the fact that he is a starting caliber player. The Bulls (who are my fav team) are paying him starter minutes money in a declining economy. Let's say that next season the salary cap is going to be the rumored 50 Million? That would mean that Deng and Hinrich take up 40% of that space. Add in Salmons, Noah's contracts you are jumping up to about 55% of the cap. just estimates on the fly here so I may be wrong. Roses rokkie contract would put the team abve 60%.

 Bulls are in a tough spot. The franchise has to figure out what to do fast in a basketball stand point. Unfortunately JR is a baseball guy first. The White Sox are his true love. I can respect that but that is also going to effect what he decides to do with his basketball team. His current venture of trying to buy a hockey franchise is also going to effect the Bulls. Sad as it is to say, if the Bulls continue being a 45-50% win team while making him money, I dont see JR doing the moves and spending the money to make the team better. Keep it competetive yes, but a winner no. This is the same guy who made the GM appologize for taking Michael Jordan in the draft, refused to renegotiate Pippens contract and destroyed a 60+ win franchise which won a championship becauase he did not want to pay the players and the coach after 1998. Unfortunately 11 years later, I don't see that he has changed.

  What BG did was different. BG came off the bench and won 6th man of the year, proved he should be a starter, led the team in scoring the past 3 seasons and has been one of the top clutch players in the NBA since entering the league and is one of the all time 3 point leaders in the NBA. This while rotating between Chris Duhon, Kirk Hinrich and Derrick Rose as the 3 starting PG's of the Bulls the last 3 seasons. While BG does have his flaws, which I have admitted, Tyrus has a long way to go to mean to the Bulls what BG has.

I must say that you are well informed about the Bulls and ole Jer as I call him, very few people that I have  replied to have this knowledge level of what is really going on in the Bulls organization. Its refreshing to chat with someone that knows what they are talking about rather than some of these clucks on other chat sites who only suggest trades  and have no idea who really runs the Bulls and makes the decisions. Many people have said already on other sites that firing Paxton and Foreman would be the answer to the Bulls issues, I just laugh because they think that firing Pax and Foreman would make the Bulls credibility again little do they know.

BullySixChicago:

I must say that you are well informed about the Bulls and ole Jer as I call him, very few people that I have  replied to have this knowledge level of what is really going on in the Bulls organization. Its refreshing to chat with someone that knows what they are talking about rather than some of these clucks on other chat sites who only suggest trades  and have no idea who really runs the Bulls and makes the decisions. Many people have said already on other sites that firing Paxton and Foreman would be the answer to the Bulls issues, I just laugh because they think that firing Pax and Foreman would make the Bulls credibility again little do they know.

 

 Thanks man.

 As for the Paxson/ Gar Foreman situation I hope the people who are saying firing Paxson realize he was promoted to a higher position within the Bulls and that Foreman will be the "GM" however Pax will have over sight in the operations. However fans need to understand that JR also plays a part in all negotiations and has say in basically all of the Bulls movements in off seasons. Former players have said that JR would call them to the office and try to re negotiate himself. Paxson did an ok job during his time and now it's Foremans time and see what Garpax can do.

As long as the last Jerry is still in charge he will make both pax and gar jobs not easy with his interference. It amazes me that he has yet (Reinsdorf) understood what it takes to win in the NBA but yet he is willing to spend millions on jake peavy and 140 mil on a hockey team that has constantly lost money. While his best money making sports organization seems to be stuck in 3rd gear. He wont go into the salary cap paying area until they are able to win the champoinship. Gee I guess he is gonna depend on the draft to do that. Well with this 10 class coming up I think ole jerry will make a very good attempt at getting Wade  well I think he will

 The bad part about 2010 is that if rumors are true about the salary cap dropping to $50 mill it effects the Bulls. If the Bulls with the current salary structure sign Wade it would break the cap. Something that JR has refused to do. As a long time Bulls fan I have to say that Reinsdorf has to prove that he want's to win. Honestly unless a big break comes to the team I see JR staying pat with this team till 2012. Especially if the team can make the playoffs or continue to have good players appear through the draft. As a Bulls fan I have to say that I think JR is content with the Bulls making him money even if they are border line. That is something that he has shown through the years. I want to see JR make that jump but I don't see it happening even if the team is winning. Sad to say as a Bulls fan but it could be worst. JR isn't as bad as Donald Sterling. At least JR wants the team competetive or in the news.

You and I have diffferenrt opinions on JR as you call him. Yes he wanted to win when he had MJ and those players otherwise I have not seen any attempt at him securing the Bulls future with better players to advance them, past the first round. When the Bulls lost to the wiz he should have given them the  money to get that post player, when they beat the heat he should have given them the money to get a post player yet he did nothing. Right now he refuses to go over the cap unless they are in contention for the title. Now how does he expect that they will get to the title without that game changer? But he is willing to spend 23 mil on Jake Peavy and 140 mil on a dead money losing hockey team.

 Oh yeah. I agree, he should have made the move for a good post player for about 3 years now. This has been a move that Bulls fan's have been looking for a long time now. They also need a game changer. Hopefully Derrick Rose can become a CP3 type of player. But until we find out for sure he should go after that game changer who hopefully is a big man too. Bosh, Amar'e etc...

  As for the Peavy signing, The White Sox are his baby. If he thinks it could help the team he is going to go for it. Because it is his baby.

 The hockey situation, I have no clue why he is looking to go in that direction. Maybee he has some sort of love for hockey that we don't know about. I'm lost in that area right now.

It is well known around Chicago that Reinsdorf first love and only love is baseball. His Bull interest is only for money and having the respect of basketball people because he had the best players of the 90' on his team noe a real owner would have kept that alive any way possible and furthermore a real owner would allow MJ, pip, rodman and Phil to die on the floor rather than go somewhere else. Now as for Rose being like cp3 I gather from that statement you are not from Chicago, because Chicago people want thim to be the first amd Only Rose if he does that he will be what they describing as the top guard

BullySixChicago:

It is well known around Chicago that Reinsdorf first love and only love is baseball. His Bull interest is only for money and having the respect of basketball people because he had the best players of the 90' on his team noe a real owner would have kept that alive any way possible and furthermore a real owner would allow MJ, pip, rodman and Phil to die on the floor rather than go somewhere else. Now as for Rose being like cp3 I gather from that statement you are not from Chicago, because Chicago people want thim to be the first amd Only Rose if he does that he will be what they describing as the top guard

  Haha, nah I'm not from Chicago. I used the CP3 comment as a compliment. I think me and people in Chicago have the same idea though. Since CP3 is the top guard in the NBA right now that was why I used his name as a reffrence. If Rose becomes his own figure in the NBA that means he would surpass CP3. I'm all for that!!!!!! 

Now lets see if it can happen. Because I'm hoping it does. haha.

well that explains why you referred to cp3, and its understandable but here in Chicago we are looking at Rose as being the standard foroint guards his work in elementary school through high school is just outstanding and that one year at Memphis and his rookie year we know that he is gonna be something different not just one of them but the one