Baron Davis has repotedly signed with the Clips!

 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3470016

If they can bring back Brand they should be a solid team for team for the next 5 years and maybe even be a top team in the West.

Well maybe not 5 years unless you are convinced that Brand and Davis can stay injury free for the next 5 years?

Mighty bold move for Baylor and Sterling.  I like it.

 

he can be closer to his god son, his real one, not the poster

FUCKING DOUCHEBAG. *** HIM.

I hope the Clippers suck. He turns down $17M in a perfect situation to go to the FUCKING CLIPPERS.

 

ARE U KIDDING ME. ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME. 

No way B-Diddy turns the Clips into the top team in the West. Even with him and Brand, they're not even a lock for the postseason.   

Adelman:

I hope the Clippers suck. He turns down $17M in a perfect situation to go to the FUCKING CLIPPERS.

 

ARE U KIDDING ME. ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME. 

 

What? The 50 games a year he plays in really scares you that much? 

 I really like the Warriors, I am from NorCal. To see Baron leaving is disheartening.

Adelman:

I hope the Clippers suck. He turns down $17M in a perfect situation to go to the FUCKING CLIPPERS.

 

ARE U KIDDING ME. ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME. 

You mean the perfect situation where his coach wastes his healthiest seson in years by sitting him out of a game that was critical to making the playoffs or not? The perfect situation where his coach disrupts team chemistry by benching their double double center in order to experiment with has been Webber at a critical point in the season?

He was gaurenteed 17 M for ONE (1) season. Given his injury history passing that up for even 5 years 50 M (far below the max) would be a prudent financial move since he'll get paid even if he never plays again.

Its not like Baron has ever played in LA before...oh wait he played at UCLA!

I'm just guessing here but I think if the Warriors had fiered Nelson and offered Baron an extension he would have stayed.

If you compare them to the Lakers who most assume will be contending for a title for years to come, they compare quite favorably.

Kaman > Bynum

Brand > Gasol

Thornton < Odom

Gordon < Bryant

Davis > Fisher

They are better than the Lakers at 3 out of 5 starting positions and I wouldn't be shocked to see Thonton being better at SF than Odom (who is a much better PF than SF) by the end of the year.  They also have a decent bench with Tim Thomas, Mobley and Knight.

Bynum is better than Kaman.

That's yet to be seen.

Kaman was better in every statistical cat than Bynum last year except FG%. Bynum played only 35 games and is injured. If you want to pose the idea that Bynum migh someday be better than Kaman it might have merit but he wasn't better last season .

 There are 9 teams better than the Clippers in the West- in no order, San Antonio, New Orleans, LA Lakers, Houston, Utah, Phoenix, Denver, Dallas, Portland. Hell if Golden State can land Arenas, then they too are better.

Adelman:

 There are 9 teams better than the Clippers in the West- in no order, San Antonio, New Orleans, LA Lakers, Houston, Utah, Phoenix, Denver, Dallas, Portland. Hell if Golden State can land Arenas, then they too are better.

If Brand re-signs the Clippers should be able to play with any of those teams.  Sure only 8 of the 10 can make the playoffs but I think the Clippers are just as likely to make it as any team on that list, so long as they stay healthy.

Toolatecrew:

That's yet to be seen.

Kaman was better in every statistical cat than Bynum last year except FG%. Bynum played only 35 games and is injured. If you want to pose the idea that Bynum migh someday be better than Kaman it might have merit but he wasn't better last season .

 

No.  When healthy Bynum was one of the best centers in the League, Kaman was not even close.   Kaman posted better per game numbers because he played a lot more minutes, when you look at their numbers in context they were pretty much even with Bynum having a slight edge in most statistical categories and a huge edge in field goal percentage and turnovers, which are two very important categories.  Basically, Bynum put up better numbers using up 4 fewer possessions per game, which is a huge difference.

xduckshoex:

Toolatecrew:

That's yet to be seen.

Kaman was better in every statistical cat than Bynum last year except FG%. Bynum played only 35 games and is injured. If you want to pose the idea that Bynum migh someday be better than Kaman it might have merit but he wasn't better last season .

 

No.  When healthy Bynum was one of the best centers in the League, Kaman was not even close.   Kaman posted better per game numbers because he played a lot more minutes, when you look at their numbers in context they were pretty much even with Bynum having a slight edge in most statistical categories and a huge edge in field goal percentage and turnovers, which are two very important categories.  Basically, Bynum put up better numbers using up 4 fewer possessions per game, which is a huge difference.

For what like 15 games? While he did have an impressive short strecth its no where near statistically conclusive you know better than that.

Was Bynums FG% and Turnovers better absolutly. Who was Bynum playing with? Now who was Kaman playing with? Is it your opinion that if you switched them that Kaman playing in the triangle being fed by Kobe Odom etc in the triangle while having fewer douibles becuase of the surrounding cast would NOT improve his FG% or turnovers? Is it your opinion that if you threw Bynum in with last years Clippers as the SOLE low post threat he wouldn't have more turnovers? Would his FG% be just as high with Dan Dickau an feeding him or Corey Maggete as the teams best wing player rather than Kobe?

The results are nice but hardly indicative of the way they were forced to deal with defenses. Kaman din't get to dunk 31% of the time (assisted on 66% of those dunks)

Toolatecrew:

xduckshoex:

Toolatecrew:

That's yet to be seen.

Kaman was better in every statistical cat than Bynum last year except FG%. Bynum played only 35 games and is injured. If you want to pose the idea that Bynum migh someday be better than Kaman it might have merit but he wasn't better last season .

 

No.  When healthy Bynum was one of the best centers in the League, Kaman was not even close.   Kaman posted better per game numbers because he played a lot more minutes, when you look at their numbers in context they were pretty much even with Bynum having a slight edge in most statistical categories and a huge edge in field goal percentage and turnovers, which are two very important categories.  Basically, Bynum put up better numbers using up 4 fewer possessions per game, which is a huge difference.

For what like 15 games? While he did have an impressive short strecth its no where near statistically conclusive you know better than that.

Was Bynums FG% and Turnovers better absolutly. Who was Bynum playing with? Now who was Kaman playing with? Is it your opinion that if you switched them that Kaman playing in the triangle being fed by Kobe Odom etc in the triangle while having fewer douibles becuase of the surrounding cast would NOT improve his FG% or turnovers? Is it your opinion that if you threw Bynum in with last years Clippers as the SOLE low post threat he wouldn't have more turnovers? Would his FG% be just as high with Dan Dickau an feeding him or Corey Maggete as the teams best wing player rather than Kobe?

The results are nice but hardly indicative of the way they were forced to deal with defenses. Kaman din't get to dunk 31% of the time (assisted on 66% of those dunks)

 

Kaman only played 20 games more than Bynum so it's a completely reasonable comparison.  Is it your opinion that Kaman would still have grabbed that many rebounds and scored that many points with Brand on the floor?  No?  So there are just as many bullshit excuses on either side.  The fact remains that Bynums numbers were much, much better than Kamans, and that is all that really matters.

It's funny that you mention that percentage of assisted dunks that Bynum had.  Because you looked at those numbers surely you must have realized that Kaman had a higher percentage of his baskets assisted.  You can make it seem like Bynum was just some lucky kid who had all of the hard work done for him, but it's just not true. 

So did Kaman play with worse teamates as more of a focus for defenses or not?

Did he have more attampts assisted? Maybe but look at the shots those assits got him.

40% of Kaman's attempts were jumpers and 72% of those were off passes.

31% of Bynums attempts were dunks and 66% of those were assisted.

The Lakers are feeding Bynum 2 feet from the rim so he can dunk it. The clippers are passing it to Kaman 15 feet from the rim for jumpers.

The Lakers offense and his teamates get Bynum better shots than Kaman got. I don't think there can be any doubt about that. The fact that Bynums per minute #s were better is most certainly not all that matters unless you want to entirley discount the teamates he plays with and his roll in the offense.

Think Bynum would get as many rebounds with Odom and Gasol on the floor with him? Same difference.

 

Think teamates make a difference?

Gasol with Memphis

55% jumpers

10% dunks

Gasol with LA

35% jumpers

17% dunks

His % of jumpers decreased by one THIRD

His % of dunks increased by 70%.

54% of Gasol's inside attemps were off assists with Memphis

68% with the Lakers.

I'd say its quite apparent that the Lakers team and system gets their Centers more easy inside attempts off passes than a poor team like LA or Memphis.

Teammates make a difference, but Gasol was a great player in Memphis before he got traded.  The triangle offense does not make mediocre players into all-NBA calibre players, you have to be able to play to put up numbers.  Remember Luc Longley?  Will Perdue?  Bill Wennington?  Kwame Brown?  If it was just the triangle and their teammates then those guys would have put up similar numbers to Bynum, but none of them ever approached his numbers.

This whole "replace player A with player B and their numbers would change accordingly" stuff is nonsense.  Calderon got assists at a higher rate than Rondo, if you switched them around would Rondo's assists go up and Calderon's go down?  Of course not.  If you switched Caron Butler and Peja Stojakovic would Peja's PER be 20 and Butler's 15?  Of course not.  There is no reason to believe that if you put Kaman on the Lakers his numbers would come anywhere close to Bynums.

xduckshoex:

Teammates make a difference, but Gasol was a great player in Memphis before he got traded.  The triangle offense does not make mediocre players into all-NBA calibre players, you have to be able to play to put up numbers.  Remember Luc Longley?  Will Perdue?  Bill Wennington?  Kwame Brown?  If it was just the triangle and their teammates then those guys would have put up similar numbers to Bynum, but none of them ever approached his numbers.

This whole "replace player A with player B and their numbers would change accordingly" stuff is nonsense.  Calderon got assists at a higher rate than Rondo, if you switched them around would Rondo's assists go up and Calderon's go down?  Of course not.  If you switched Caron Butler and Peja Stojakovic would Peja's PER be 20 and Butler's 15?  Of course not.  There is no reason to believe that if you put Kaman on the Lakers his numbers would come anywhere close to Bynums.

I think there is every reaon to think that if you put Kaman on LA his FG% would go up and his turnover down vs playing with Brevin Kinght/Cassell Mobley Maggete and Tim Thomas.

I'm not talking about making a mediocre player into an All Star. I think the numbers are there in black and white. You critisized Kaman's GF% and Turnovers in relation to Bynums. Is there any doubt that playing with the Lakers raises the FG% of players like Bynum and Gasol? If Kaman is capable of shooting 48% with the Clippers is there reaon to think he would not improve that number with the Lakers?

Its just opinion but I think if you were to put Bynum with the Clippers his numbers would fall below Kaman's simply becuase of his inexperience. 

 

I didn't talk about assists I talked about FG%. If you can't acknowledge that being on a bad team as a first option is going to hurt your FG% and turnovers as a center more than playing as a 3rd option in LA with the triangle I guess we just have to move on.

Kaman's numbers were already better than Bynum's playing with the Clippers, he doesn't have to trade places with Bynum for that to be a fact.  I don't care what the per 48 numbers say because those numbers take fatigue out of the equation which is pretty important.  There is a reason Kaman played more minutes per game that Bynum, he earned them and showed his coach that his conditioning warranted the extra minutes. 

Vic Vega:

Kaman's numbers were already better than Bynum's playing with the Clippers, he doesn't have to trade places with Bynum for that to be a fact.  I don't care what the per 48 numbers say because those numbers take fatigue out of the equation which is pretty important.  There is a reason Kaman played more minutes per game that Bynum, he earned them and showed his coach that his conditioning warranted the extra minutes. 

 

 It has been proven in multiple studies that an increase in minutes does not result in a decrease in productivity so there is no reason to believe that Bynum would be less effective given more minutes, especially when you look at how much better he played as a starter playing 31 mpg as opposed to a backup playing 24 mpg.  All evidence available indicates that Bynum would have continued to play at his high level if given more minutes.  Why didn't he play more?  Maybe the coaching staff doesn't want to wear him out; that doesn't mean that he can't play more minutes, it just means that they don't want him to wear himself out before he reaches his prime.  I'm sure they wish that they could have played Kobe less over the last few years to avoid having him playing with so many nagging injuries.  It's the same thing the Spurs have been doing with Tim Duncan for years now.  Why play a good player more than you have to?

 You may not care about what the per minute numbers have to say, but they are the only realistic way to make any kind of comparison between the two players.