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Last post 07-29-2008 9:17 AM by Bill Ingram. 13 replies.
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  • 07-25-2008 2:41 PM

    Rockets and Nuggets trade

    I know its not being discussed or even thought about but with the trend being all-star big threes) ex. San Antonio, Boston, Washington.) and with Denver basically holding a fire sale to keep from paying the luxury tax...I know Allen Iverson isn't ideally with the Rockets need at this point, but Allen Iverson is in NO WAY affiliated with the word "soft" and he is definitely going to be a more than capable third scorer. It will as well give the Rockets a player that will relentlessly attack the rim when they go into they're "jump shooting modes" and a guy with a killer instinct that can deal the final blow that Yao and T-Mac are too "soft" to deal when they work hard for 4 quarters to get their opponents down. Iverson has been to the NBA finals and even though he has had his troubles would instantly become the most vocal leader in the locker room. Not to mention what it would mean financially for the rockets even though they would be over the luxury tax with this deal with national televised games, merchandise and ticket sales they would more than make up for it. (ask Celtics) There will be the "bad" of course like if an injury occurs they would be in a tight spot if they have to sacrifice role players to get him. Then there's times when he has a tendency to force bad shots, but then again he's never played with two superstars before. Then there's financially but he has only one year left on his deal so it would be a high risk-very high reward experiment and he has verbally said he would be willing to restructure his deal and take less money for more years. With all that considered and the Rockets hunger to win now, I think i would be very beneficial to the fan base, national visibility, and overall success to the rockets to sacrifice a few role players perhaps (Rafer Alston, Shane Battier, Bobby Jackson, Luther Head, Chuck Hayes or a combination there of) for a slightly aged but proven all-star and maybe Linas Klieza. What do you think?
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  • 07-25-2008 4:20 PM In reply to

    Re: Rockets and Nuggets trade

     There is only one ball and that is not enough for Yao, TMac AND Iverson.

     

    I think we do need a third scorer but Iverson is not a third scorer, he is a first maybe second. 

     

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  • 07-27-2008 12:20 AM In reply to

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     The primary issue with this - which I've been thinking about a lot since you emailed me - is the $21 million. The Rockets just about have to include McGrady to make the deal work capwise. If there was some way to get Ivy without giving up Yao or Tracy it would be brilliant, and I'm not sure he would be the third option - maybe the second. The Rockets definitely need a third scoring option, which they don't really have now. Rafer can be that person, but it's not his best role.

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  • 07-27-2008 12:24 AM In reply to

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     Rafe tends to fall in love way too much with that 3.

     

    I wish Detroit was giving away Chauncey for expiring contracts.
     

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  • 07-27-2008 4:15 PM In reply to

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    I want Vince Carter. The Nets are in re-building mode and we have the expiring contracts to match (a package of Head/Hayes/Jackson/Francis works, they can cut most of those guys, maybe throwin a 1st or two).

     

    In the last 3 seasons he has missed a grand total of 8 games. He is a pretty good shooter, high FG% getting over 20 PPG. The ideal third option IMO.

     

    I really do think him and Trace can co-exist. Tracy is at the point where he wants to win and he is now very willing to share the ball (as we have seen the past few seasons in Houston). Morey has gotta get on this. 

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  • 07-27-2008 5:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Rockets and Nuggets trade

    Denver trades: Allen Iverson and Linas Kleiza
    Houston trades: Rafer Alston, Shane Battier, Steve Francis, Bobby Jackson, Joey Dorsey and lottery protected 1st pick 

    I included Kleiza for Battier so the salaries would be closer.

    PG Iverson - Brooks / Head
    SG TWac - Barry -Head
    SF Kleiza - Greene
    PF Scola - Hayes - Novak
    C Yao - Mutombo -

    McGrady and Barry will be play-making SG's.  Sign a FA backup C?  Maybe trade Novak and a 2nd pick for one of Seattle's 50 centres (Petro, Swift, Sene).

  • 07-27-2008 9:25 PM In reply to

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     Iverson at PG? WE WANT TO WIN DAMNIT.

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  • 07-27-2008 9:46 PM In reply to

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    No. Not neccisarily under ther cap rules if Iverson's contract is 21 million the Rockets would only have to put up a package that would add up to 18.7 million in contracts which would be covered by Rafer Alston, Booby Jackson, and Shane Battier.

    But the package i thought of had Iverson and Klieza for Jackson, Alston, Battier, Head, and next years 1st. Which would also work in terms of salary.

    So if the both sides didn't agree to a deal it wouldnt be because of monetary issues.

    But in my my mind it works for both sides because the Nuggets have no depth and with the expiring contracts they are players in the 2010 frenzy as well as they get a good guy in Shane Battier to help clean up their teams whole "cornrows and tattos" steryotype.

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  • 07-27-2008 9:48 PM In reply to

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    and if you dont think Iverson would be an addition to a soft and weak minded that as assembled has very little post season success ADELMAN. U dont want the Rockets to win.

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  • 07-28-2008 2:37 AM In reply to

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    I wouldn't mind adding Allen Iverson, I would mind if we trade both Rafer and Bobby Jackson for him as Iverson is a scorer and def can't play PG. Especially on a squad which has Yao and Mac, you want somebody who can make plays for them not take plays away from them. 

    The poster also known as DMWT.

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  • 07-28-2008 3:43 PM In reply to

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    Adelman:

    I wouldn't mind adding Allen Iverson, I would mind if we trade both Rafer and Bobby Jackson for him as Iverson is a scorer and def can't play PG. Especially on a squad which has Yao and Mac, you want somebody who can make plays for them not take plays away from them. 

    well if u want to go inside the numbers Rafer Alston is a career 4.8 APG player and last year that only raised to 5.3 and for three quarters of a season he had a full arsenal of weapons. Then in the playoffs (in only 4 of the 6 games) he averages 4.5 assists. What makes it even more pathetic for him is his knee was injured and doesn't that give you more of an excuse to pass the ball? And Bobby Jackson is definitly a shoot first guard that is at the end of his career and will jack up any that comes his way. He is a leader and don't get me wrong is a really good option off he bench in a reduced role but if you have an oppurtunity to get a player like Iverson and the fact that he is due 7 Million dollars next year when he is prolly worth the veterans minimum seals the deal. You cannot tell me that you would not rather pay Iverson 21 Million than pay Jackson 7 Million.

     And even though Iverson is as "selfish" player playing with the definition of selfish in Carmello Anthony he still managed to average 7.1 assists while still averaging 26.4 PPG (funny how that works) playing at the SHOOTING GUARD position just imagine what he can do when hes the full time distributer. When Iverson has the ball defenders pay attention, he demands it, and not just his man everyone elses. When rafer does his spins and fancy crossovers no one watches but the fans and even they know hes either going to jack it from 3 or float it. His offenisve arsenal is too limited to compliment superstars.

    Even when winning is illogical.
    Losing is still far from optional.
  • 07-28-2008 4:17 PM In reply to

    Re: Rockets and Nuggets trade

     Yeah Rafer and Jackson are far from perfect and while Iverson can get a ton on assists, you can't rely on him to be your primary playmaker.

     

    Why do you think that the Nuggets are starting effing Anthony Carter over JR Smith? 

    The poster also known as DMWT.

    Official Hater of Isiah Thomas

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  • 07-28-2008 6:29 PM In reply to

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    I say this with the upmost respect. Where the hell have your attenas been the last two years? Have you not realized that Tracy McGrady has been trying to become a sel proclaimed "facilitator" he wouldnt mind being a part time lead guard if it is what is needed of him. He likes to pass and if he has a mismatch he can take it to the hole and finish. Similar to what Allen Iverson brings to the table. Just the threat of two superstar permiter players and the leagues premier big man down low would intimidate enev the most savvy defensive team. Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson are both elite combo guards and there will be a mismatch on every possesion waiting to be exploited.

    And if they want to run teams out of the building with a small lineup. Think Brooks, Iverson, McGrady, Landry, and Dorsey as the anchor. And for giggles to keep the roatation fresh with a shooter if the other team falls into a zone place Donte Green in as an athletic player that can punish players with an open 3.

    I unserstand where you are coming from but everytime i think about it I personally can't see the Rockets losing in this deal.

    Even when winning is illogical.
    Losing is still far from optional.
  • 07-29-2008 9:17 AM In reply to

    Re: Rockets and Nuggets trade

     I would hate to give up Battier, but you're completely correct in saying McGrady wouldn't mind facilitating more than carrying the scoring load. I don't like his decision-making when he feels the pressure to score more. He can get to the rim at any time, but like LeBron he often chooses to pull up instead. Iverson would immediately become the #2 scoring option behind Yao and Tracy would pick his spots.

    Bill Ingram
    Executive Editor
    HOOPSWORLD
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